Over the years I have had a
number of candidates who have turned down jobs because they have a high opinion
of themselves. They take advice from
their friends, parents or significant others who tell them that they are far
better than they are. The candidates don’t trust recruiters to be honest with
them. As a result, many of these
executives end up getting their comeuppance when it comes to job offers.
Last year, I had a really
good candidate who worked at Ogilvy. She
was a planner for about a year and before that had been an account supervisor. She was making $80k, but, when they made her
a planner she did not get a raise, so she had been about 18 months at the same
salary. Her friends and family backed
her up when she told them how much money she was worth.
I got her an offer for
$110, which was a good salary increase, and commensurate with other people at
her level in the new agency where she got her offer. Her title would have been, again, planner
(the agency had no other titles for planners).
It was at a well-known, but hot smaller agency with a great list of
major accounts – accounts that were better than those she worked on at Ogilvy. She insisted that they give her the title of senior
planner and she wanted $125k. She told
me that she was worth at least that much and that she would only move for the
title and salary she wanted. Her arrogance showed in how she told me she was
turning the job down, “Otherwise, I will
get a promotion and raise [at Ogilvy] within the next few months. I might as well stay where I am.” I asked her
who had been advising her. The answer
was not surprising: her father and her
roommate, neither of whom were in or had any idea about advertising.
I could not dissuade her
and she turned the job down. Her
attitude towards me was that I was not interested in her career and simply
wanted to make a placement.
The only problem was that
she thought too highly of herself. Six
months later, she had not been promoted; but she did get a raise to $90k (The
$10k was about right for raises at Ogilvy – in fact, I thought it was about
right for Ogilvy). Of course at first she
wouldn’t tell me, but it came out when I had another opportunity for her and
called her. Only this time she told me
she would only go to a top ten shop and now she wanted $135k as a senior
planner.
This is a scenario that is
familiar to all recruiters. It happens
with a degree of frequency.
I told her that I could not
represent her (and found out later that other recruiters had the same
experience with her).
Of course, a few months
ago, she took a job as a senior planner, but at a small agency where she is one
of three in the department. There are no
major accounts.
Careers have paths and she
had just screwed hers up. She may or may
not recover.
I will watch her career,
but my guess is that in a few years, despite her great personality, she will
have trouble getting back to a name agency.
Taking
advice from family and friends can be a career killer.
I have to admit that I am surprised that a woman had so much chutzpah. Good for her. I do wonder however if you would have even shared the story had it involved a man. Research clearly shows that men suffer from Dunning Kruger far more than women do.
ReplyDeleteActually, PJ, I happened to think of the most recent occurence. It coincidently happened with a woman. There have been many, many men who have done the same.
DeleteMany many years ago (long before we met, Paul) I was unhappy in my job at at major agency. I didn't like the account, was being told by friends/family I was worth more, etc. I went and met with a very senior recruiter who has since passed away, and she told me straight that I needed to stay, I needed to do x, y and z, and my friends were wrong about my worth.
ReplyDeleteSmartest thing I ever did was listen to her, recognize that she knew the industry and they didn't, she knew the agency and they didn't, and she knew my real worth and they didn't. She gave me the dose of reality I needed.
Candidates who don't listen to seasoned recruiters are shooting themselves in the foot, not to mention potentially losing the support of someone who can be a real advocate for you over time.
Thanks for the nice comment, Helen.
DeleteI guess it's easy from a vantage point of 38 years later to remember to "not flatter myself too much" and comment that money/title aren't the key drivers to making move as when on my second account at Ted Bates, I didn't think they recognized the 'brilliance' i had brought from my first account, so i jumped to B&B to work on the competitor product and was miserable within two weeks--just a fish out of water. Amazingly Bates took me back, B&B was amazingly more gracious and I stayed at Ted Bates for another 13 years.
ReplyDeleteNice, humble message. Thanks for sharing your experience.
DeleteOn the other hand … I am now reminded of my favorite Israeli Prime Minister, Golds Meir, who once famously said to her top military General (Moshe Dayan) in 1969, “Don’t be humble. You’re not that great”. Badda bing, badda boom.
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