tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8575334444752638591.post7521154062765717845..comments2024-03-17T03:15:14.033-04:00Comments on View From Madison Avenue: Fifteen Ways The Advertising Business Used To Be More Fun, Part IView From Madison Avenuehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18133010500698814644noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8575334444752638591.post-91459199582038152992017-06-23T16:08:45.781-04:002017-06-23T16:08:45.781-04:00TRUTH!TRUTH!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8575334444752638591.post-48196275651469774422017-06-22T17:35:44.335-04:002017-06-22T17:35:44.335-04:00You hit the nail on the head. I meet a lot of you...You hit the nail on the head. I meet a lot of young people who find the business boring and ultimately leave because or your very point. Thanks.View From Madison Avenuehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18133010500698814644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8575334444752638591.post-87925706033519221982017-06-22T17:34:06.021-04:002017-06-22T17:34:06.021-04:00Funny!Funny!View From Madison Avenuehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18133010500698814644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8575334444752638591.post-69139517897598037632017-06-22T17:29:05.549-04:002017-06-22T17:29:05.549-04:00Absolutely agree about junior people in meetings. ...Absolutely agree about junior people in meetings. When I was a lass at Cunningham and Walsh (shows how far back) I was brought to Client meetings all the time. The understanding, unspoken but known, was that I was there to keep my ears open and my mouth shut. But that is how I learned. Same with internal, interdisciplinary meetings. By the time I left the agency side in the late 2000s,internal Triple Native New Yorkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01796788600983846039noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8575334444752638591.post-91997412182447178832017-06-22T13:35:11.732-04:002017-06-22T13:35:11.732-04:00I definitely agree! I remember JWT used to have th...I definitely agree! I remember JWT used to have the cafeteria turn into a bar ("The Company Store") at 5 pm. Any given night you'd see senior execs drinking and chatting with junior staff. They threw theme parties like a back to school party with a lip sync and dance contest.<br /><br />Magazines threw great parties where you interacted with peers from other agencies. Redbook's Helen Pantusohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13046281380352851479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8575334444752638591.post-47728804424027093712017-06-21T18:26:59.485-04:002017-06-21T18:26:59.485-04:00Good one!Good one!Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03148746328974312256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8575334444752638591.post-29504621845209042962017-06-15T17:39:45.926-04:002017-06-15T17:39:45.926-04:00Thanks, Robert. Your wonderful, articulate and im...Thanks, Robert. Your wonderful, articulate and important comment is very much appreciated.View From Madison Avenuehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18133010500698814644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8575334444752638591.post-8379176474494801442017-06-15T17:04:46.107-04:002017-06-15T17:04:46.107-04:00I'm in violent agreement with your second poin...I'm in violent agreement with your second point, Paul. <br /><br />It is very sad that training has become a casualty of too-tight margins and too little time. <br /><br />As clients have become more experienced and knoweldegable, agencies, of financial neccesity, are becmoning less knowledgable and experienced, at a time when the business is vastly more cmplex than it one was.<br /><br />Robert Solomonhttp://www.artofclientservice.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8575334444752638591.post-46622825173659108012017-06-15T08:10:31.378-04:002017-06-15T08:10:31.378-04:00Anon: People are only homogenized because the hol...Anon: People are only homogenized because the holding companies treat them as with no deference or respect. The picture you paint is too bleak. View From Madison Avenuehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18133010500698814644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8575334444752638591.post-29541049913517269572017-06-15T03:15:35.874-04:002017-06-15T03:15:35.874-04:00I certainly don't equate fun with contraband o...I certainly don't equate fun with contraband or anything in excess. Especially on-the-job. But we seem to have homoginized everyone to the point of Evangelical sameness. No more "Mad Men" or women. Just computer people; with their headphones; checking Caller ID when the phone rings; banging away at their keyboards; with no sense about the value of actually doing something - Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8575334444752638591.post-77294660699257796672017-06-14T20:36:56.297-04:002017-06-14T20:36:56.297-04:00Just rethink the "industry" you are in a...Just rethink the "industry" you are in and the fun comes right back.<br /><br />Think of yourself as being in the 'ideas that build brands' business and 'off-site events', consumer ethnography trips around the country, presentations at client annual gatherings at exotic locations...become the norm.<br /><br />Sorry, water fights are not yet included. But 'idea relaysSumit Royhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13929095684714394509noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8575334444752638591.post-47822328148671465002017-06-14T19:15:40.778-04:002017-06-14T19:15:40.778-04:00Hateful but fun!Hateful but fun!View From Madison Avenuehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18133010500698814644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8575334444752638591.post-47221270949801914442017-06-14T14:27:00.964-04:002017-06-14T14:27:00.964-04:00I think it became less fun in the late ‘80s as a r...I think it became less fun in the late ‘80s as a result of many agency mergers. At least the media side did. When two full service agencies merged, the billings and work may have doubled, but management decided they didn’t need all eight associate media directors from both agencies, for instance; they could manage with five. So those five felt both pressured to get more work done AND in fear of Ed Rosenthalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12281584519364948939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8575334444752638591.post-90124648088669892662017-06-14T14:21:57.636-04:002017-06-14T14:21:57.636-04:00So true Paul, the business has changed drastically...So true Paul, the business has changed drastically...and not so much for the better. Relationships are not nearly as important. Good creative is not nearly as prevalent, and the willingness to pay for good creative too. Business etiquette is much different, less considerate. Change happens whether we like it or not, sometimes no better or worse, just different. But to me we're losing some of Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10241224812823188301noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8575334444752638591.post-28000205836421977522017-06-14T13:52:36.675-04:002017-06-14T13:52:36.675-04:00Holy crap, I remember those 'collating' se...Holy crap, I remember those 'collating' sessions, making circles around a conference table or across multiple desks!Ed Rosenthalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12281584519364948939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8575334444752638591.post-21929944114844348392017-06-14T08:23:43.429-04:002017-06-14T08:23:43.429-04:00This is too cynical for me. If you equate fun with...This is too cynical for me. If you equate fun with drinking, smoking or drugs, you need to get help.View From Madison Avenuehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18133010500698814644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8575334444752638591.post-14808509445028928732017-06-14T03:17:59.586-04:002017-06-14T03:17:59.586-04:00Forget these 15 reasons or Paul’s next 15 reasons ...Forget these 15 reasons or Paul’s next 15 reasons … The reason why Advertising isn’t fun anymore is because we now judge people on “How” they do what they do rather than “What” they do. Was a time in the ‘60s when creatives and “suits” drank and smoked too much. Then came the ‘70s when we morphed into drugs but could still smoke cigarettes in the office. Then came coke in the ‘80s and I don’t Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8575334444752638591.post-14575539070490412812017-06-13T19:42:37.879-04:002017-06-13T19:42:37.879-04:00There was a big-shot (in his own mind) Vegas-y acc...There was a big-shot (in his own mind) Vegas-y account guy who was always up the CEOs ass. I stole the CEOs memo pad and wrote a note to the Account guy: "I just got a hot lead on the Trojan account. Come to my office immediately to discuss. Bring product samples" He did.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07118176793411089239noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8575334444752638591.post-58586013600560765422017-06-13T12:57:03.219-04:002017-06-13T12:57:03.219-04:00Back in the day, we had more time. Even though we ...Back in the day, we had more time. Even though we always waited until the last minute, we had time to think and research and experience brands in action. Now it seems like you need a crazy idea every second, a little validation from Google, and a few social likes to be a hero.<br />Larry Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03528327507510623101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8575334444752638591.post-82800647921143706162017-06-13T10:55:18.658-04:002017-06-13T10:55:18.658-04:00Paul what is sad about some agencies where I consu...Paul what is sad about some agencies where I consult, too many young professionals believe what the company does is "advertising" which is not totally correct. With digital channels brands are doing more than communicating - they are fulfilling more of the value chain by being a channel for distribution, sales and customer service. If you're a digital agency person building apps, Manna of Motorcycleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04897921770519306428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8575334444752638591.post-64899447801807397352017-06-13T10:54:54.703-04:002017-06-13T10:54:54.703-04:00Collating was hellish, but necessary.Collating was hellish, but necessary.View From Madison Avenuehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18133010500698814644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8575334444752638591.post-17158679517558231712017-06-13T10:52:27.689-04:002017-06-13T10:52:27.689-04:00Yes to all 7, although no water fights. I do howev...Yes to all 7, although no water fights. I do however recall one agency phone system that allowed you to call one person, put the call on hold transfer to another person and you could stay on the line listening to some very funny conversations as the two tried to figure out why they called/were called.Collating was hell. Especially at 2AM.CCBoakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15772928437171250977noreply@blogger.com